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Speaker 1(00:00):
We’re joined by my friend and colleague Dave Logan, one
of a very very very small number of people two
have been drafted out of college into the NFL, the NBA,
and Major League Baseball. He, of course, coaches high school
football at Cherry Creek, with recently won an award as
like the greatest coach of all time in Colorado or(17:05):
I think they’ve got to find some way to get
a hold of this a little bit and come up
with some rules that don’t prevent moving, don’t prevent players
making money, but at least get a hold of it
a little bit.Speaker 1 (09:57):
Someone can just offer him one point one at another
and he can just go. So some years ago, now,
well before nil, he donated three and a half million
dollars to build a big practice facility, and he thought
that investment made more sense than quote, just buying players.(08:50):
player from Georgia to the university. You know, what, what
have you. There’s ways, there’s ways to do that. But
until they come up with so something like that, you’re
going to continue to see the bigger programs that have
huge collectives millions and millions of millions of dollars and
choose to engage in that arena. You’re going to see(12:41):
coaching staffs, this might not be the best situation. Would
I have maybe looked at other opportunities. I can’t, if
I’m being honest about it, I can’t say that I
absolutely would not have, but I certainly would have gone
to the University of Colorado when I.Speaker 1 (01:02):
A law that says college students can get paid and
I think it’s because the governor figures the federal law
is going to go that way anyway, so we might
as well get in line. There’s other aspects to what
Paula said, but that’s what I want to focus on
with uh with you. So I think my first question
for you, Dave is our college students, especially top students(01:49):
was a pre emptive move, but it’s a move that
that he’s he’s smart in maybe trying to get ahead
up a little bit because that’s that’s that’s going to
be the federal the federal law. And I think when
you when you look back over the last handful of
plus of years, the NCAA, in particular, universities in theSpeaker 3 (11:44):
This is sort of a parallel universe question.Speaker 3 (07:07):
It should it.Speaker 2 (01:28):
Now? Well, I think we’re to be honest about it,
we’re dealing in semantics so that they are not amateurs
in my mind. And I think that the governor signing
the bill, as you said, was I won’t say it(02:12):
NCAA could have done a better job of mitigating some
of this simply by providing a contract of sorts with
their athletes to make them employees. That the institutions have
fought that forever. The n Cuba has backed them inSpeaker 2 (10:18):
I think it’s it’s all accurate. I think that’s exactly
what I’ve you and I’ve been talking about the last
two or three minutes. It’s it’s the wild, wild West.
You have, you have collectives that have millions and millions
and millions of dollars in it, and there’s no I mean,
there are virtually zero rules. Yeah, so you’re gonna haveSpeaker 1 (03:33):
A name, Travis Hunter Jerseys, and the university keeps that money,
and now I guess they’ll have to share some of
that money with the player. So in that sense, the
university gets less money. But then there’s another possible channel,
and again, please tell me what I’m how I’m thinking
about this, right or wrong? There’s another possible channel where, uh,Speaker 3 (09:56):
Million dollars and the next year.(10:40):
to come up with a system that penalizes, that allows
players to move, but they should only be able to
move once or twice in certain time time slots of
the season. And then you’re gonna have to have contracts,
in my mind, with these players to stipulate, hey, we’ve
got a two year agree. We’re going to pay you(14:30):
is I just don’t know many of their names now.
And it’s like that for most universities. I mean it
truly is, because that roster turns over at such a
rapid rate. And it’s not just CEU, it’s virtually every
other program as well. So I’m not crazy about the system,(02:34):
that regard. And because they didn’t, I mean obviously they didn’t.
They didn’t want to have them become employees of the
university because then they would have owed them benefits, There
would have been health insurance, that would have been all
sorts of things. But I think retrospectively looking at this,
it would have been far less costly for universities toSpeaker 3 (00:59):
And basically it’s it’s.Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah? Now I have some movie would have gone to
see you, you know what I mean. I took my
five visits and I just felt I wanted to stay
close to home. I wanted my folks, my family to
be able to see me play. Now, you know, my
first couple of years at the University of Colorado were great.Speaker 1 (12:58):
Went interesting, Glad I asked that question. All right, one
more for you on this, Dave. So this is more
of a I’m asking you this more as a personal
question than as a sports analyst.Speaker 1 (09:18):
There was an interesting piece over at Axios talking about this.
So James Harden, you know, huge NBA star, gave some
of they don’t say how much money.Speaker 2 (13:42):
I think I think you said it best. I think
we have to there’s a certain amount of acceptance that
when you get to a certain age that you look
at things and say, you know what, it’s not the
same as when when I was involved. But there’s a
lot of other things that aren’t the same as well.
What you can do has been an inordinate amount of time,Speaker 1 (03:19):
I’m just gonna tell you what went through my brain
and then you can tell me how dumb I am.
So it occurs to me there’s probably two possible things,
or two separate channels of revenue. One is the university
was selling a lot of.(05:24):
of another pot. You are literally seeing schools contact players
even prior to them jumping in the portal at some
universities and enticing them financially to transfer schools from that(08:29):
Maybe the player goes to see you and he’s there
for two years and he’s to make this amount of money.
Then after after the first year, as you said, Georgia
comes calling with a million dollars and a Ferrari player
wants to transfer to George. Okay, it’s already stipulated in
the contract what that is going to cost from theSpeaker 1 (17:21):
Dave Logan one of only two or three people who
were ever drafted out of college into the MLB, NBA
and NFL. He is, of course, the voice of the
Denver Broncos with his broadcast partner Rick Lewis right here
on Koway. Thanks for making time for us, Thanks for
spending so much time with me, Dave. It was a
long conversation and I thoroughly enjoyed it.(04:41):
do think players ought to be able to be compensated.
As the illustration you use of Travis Hunter’s jersey. Yeah,
I mean I think Travis Hunter should realize some of
the revenue in that regard, and prior to the start
of all this that never happened on the collegiate level.(16:19):
player that money would not be known as like a
football power. I mean I think they’ve been. They’ve been,
you know, a good program, but they certainly have not
been a football power. A million and a half dollars
to come play football for two years. So happy for him.Speaker 1 (15:02):
But the listener says, Alabama is a pro football team
playing amateurs, So Alabama’s not alone. But I do get
a sense, and again I don’t want to go too
far down the road of wishing it were the way
it used to be, because its not going to be the
way it used to be. But my concern for college
sports is that it ends up in something that is
much more stratified, where you have a few teams that,
because their booster base is so big and they’ve got(05:44):
school to our school. Well not really how name image
likeness was set up to be. I don’t have an
answer in terms of how that is going to be addressed,
but I do think the first step has to be
some sort of agreement from the institution standpoint that thereSpeaker 3 (13:09):
So you were.(08:07):
you open yourself up for some form of benefit package
because they are essentially employees of the university. I know
they haven’t wanted to do that, but it’s going to
get to that. It’s going to get to that, I
think fairly soon. I think you have to penalize. There
has to be something in the contract with the player.(06:04):
are going to be contracts between the colleges and players,
and if a player decides to leave, if a player
is enticed to go to another school, then there’s going
to be a financial penalty, much the same way as
we have seen with college coaches you’re going to have
to start digging down on this, I think to thatSpeaker 1 (06:30):
Do you think that such a penalty? So let’s just
give listeners an example. A player agrees to go play
for the University of Colorado. I’m doing fine, and some
huge booster at Georgia decides to offer this kid a
million bucks in a ferrari, and the kids signed a(11:23):
What if you want to move, here’s what has to
happen in order for you to move. And there has
to be a penalty involved that is sufficient enough that
it would tear guys from doing that. If you don’t
want to sign a two year deal, don’t, But that’s
what it’s going to take for you to come to
university A.Speaker 1 (00:42):
To talk about something that I think you and I
have talked about for about ninety seconds in the past.
But I wanted to get into a little deeper with
you because yesterday Governor Polus signed a bill House Bill
ten forty one entitled Concerning Measures to Support a Student
Athlete in the Use of their name, image, or Likeness.(07:46):
to sit out of here. But yeah, I think there
absolutely has to be a financial stipulation. And again, I
think universities have been reticent to come up with any
sort of contract for their air quote student athletes, because
when you enter into a contact a contract with them,(09:13):
them benefit because they’re able to throw tons of money
at virtually anybody they want.(15:23):
so much money, that they’re just going to be the
dominant teams almost every year. And in a way, it
could make college sports boring.(11:01):
here at the University of Colorado. Here’s what you’re gonna make.
And then if if the university decides, you know what,
this is a bad deal for us. All Right, you
still all that player that’s a contract. If the player
decides I want to go to Georgia for this my
second year. All right, it’s written right in the contract.(12:21):
I loved him. I didn’t have as good an experience
in my last two years there. So, in all honesty,
if this system would have been in place back then
is there a chance that a much younger me would
have said, well, wait, a minute. I mean, we’ve changedSpeaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, I think it’s much much deeper than Alabama. And
I’ll give you an example. I know, of fact I coached,
but really I’ve been blessed to have had some really
good players. Coached a really good player. He attended a
huge they will to say college football school. His first(16:43):
I’m happy for him, he is. I’m happy for him
and his family. But that just goes to show you,
I mean, how much you know, how much money that
we’re talking about. And that’s one one example of a
player who you know, again the school that he’s going
to go to, who is not a football power. So
I don’t know where this all kind of ends, butSpeaker 3 (15:00):
A few other colleges you can name.Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, I mean it used to be when the NCAA
had full control of this. It used to be in
terms of player transfers that you had to if you
transferred on the same level you had to set out
of here, right if you transferred down, if you went
from Division one to Division two, then you didn’t haveSpeaker 3 (00:38):
How are you, Rob, I’m good. I wanted to have
you on the show.Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, I think in the analogy that you use the example,
I think two things can be true. I think both
those things are true. I think the issue, I mean,
it’s a multifaceted issue. It really is the nil name
image likeness. I like the idea behind it because I(14:51):
but you know what, it just is what it is
at this point.(13:32):
thing and a behind the scenes thing. But the end
of the day, it’s still more or less the same
thing for you.(03:53):
some shoe company was never gonna work through the university
but wants to work with Travis Hunter or should Sanders
or any player anywhere and goes to them directly and says,
I want to do this deal with you when the
player makes that money, and that money was never going
to go to the university anyway, So in that part
it doesn’t hurt the university at all, and maybe there’s
some way.(15:57):
couple of years there was not not playing a lot.
Decided recently to get into the portal. Was offered upwards
of a million and a half dollars for two years
to come to a school. The school that offered this(01:23):
at fairly large programs, are they still amateurs or are
they professionals?Speaker 1 (11:46):
But do you think that if if this structure had
been in place when you were in college, do you
think you would have gone to see you?Speaker 1 (04:11):
So on a financial basis, how should we think about this?Speaker 2 (17:41):
You bet Ross appreciate you(02:55):
do that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago than what
they’re gonna have to do now with everything going on.
From a Semnis standpoint.(05:02):
But I think where we are now honestly in big
time and I’ll address college football big time college football
with the name, image and likeness, and then you have
another pot of money, the collective. And what you are
seeing is whether it comes out of the name image
likeness pot or the collective pot, or it comes out(14:06):
you know, upset about it, bitching about it, or you
can accept certain things as just the world in which
we live. I’m not crazy about the current system. I
mean I can still you know, when those guys wearing
the University of Colorado uniform run out behind Ralphie, I
still get excited. I’m excited for those kids. The differenceSpeaker 3 (09:28):
It looks like a little bit less than a million to.Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, a listener asked a question, and I’m gonna slightly paraphrase,
but what the listener was trying to get at is
will the nil stuff with the students getting paid, will
it cost the university’s money?Speaker 3 (10:15):
What do you think about any of that.(09:54):
into a pool and you can give a kid a.Speaker 3 (07:23):
What else could you look at?(06:25):
level because it is the wild wild West currently as
we speak.Speaker 3 (04:11):
That it helps them.Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I agree with a listener who singles out Alabama,
but it’s not just Alaba.Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi, Dave, or you don’t want me to say thanks
and hang up?(06:51):
contract with Colorado, but says, I want the million bucks
in the ferrari and Colorado is not going to come
close to matching that, so they go to Colora. So
so they go to go to Georgia. Do you think
in that case, should the penalty only be against the
University of Georgia?Speaker 1 (07:08):
Be a financial penalty, like you owe some dollars? Should
there be a penalty against the player such as I
don’t know if you can financially tag the player, but
say if you do that, you can’t play for a year.Speaker 3 (03:18):
And again I’m no experts.Speaker 3 (03:31):
I’m gonna I’m just gonna pick.Speaker 1 (09:31):
An organization associated with ari Arizona State University where he went,
and they basically bought a player who was going to
go somewhere else. And then near the end of the article,
this is the part I want to share with you.
I’ll just read this to you. You of a alum,
Richard Jefferson, now an ESPN analyst after seventeen years in
the NBA, told Front Office Sports that he wouldn’t invest
in NIL because it isn’t regulated. Quote, you put moneySpeaker 1 (13:10):
Obviously one of one of the great college players and
you follow this stuff very closely. Now these are huge changes,
and I don’t want to try to live in a
world where you know, like, oh it was better back
in the day, like we live in the world we
live in. But how does this make you feel about
college sports? Does it change how you feel about it
at all? Or is this really sort of a logistical(00:21):
something like that, which he deserves, having won high school
football championships at multiple high schools, which proves that coaching
really makes a difference. And I’m going to stop there
because I don’t want Dave’s ego to get too big.