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Pablo Torre: Media Companies are ‘Tech Companies in Which the Math is Kind of Obvious’

– Advertisement – Over the last decade, there have been a variety of seminal changes taking place across the sports media industry amid changes in consumer proclivities and evolutions in technology. Pablo Torre has been involved in several of these alterations, including the cessation of ESPN: The Magazine and recent conclusion of Around the Horn […]

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Over the last decade, there have been a variety of seminal changes taking place across the sports media industry amid changes in consumer proclivities and evolutions in technology. Pablo Torre has been involved in several of these alterations, including the cessation of ESPN: The Magazine and recent conclusion of Around the Horn after 23 seasons on the airwaves. Alex Smith, co-host of The Glue Guys podcast and former NFL quarterback, was curious to hear how the business is shifting from the perspective of Torre, who works as a journalist, sportswriter and podcaster with his venture through Meadowlark Media.

Torre discussed similarities between the sports media and technology businesses, articulating that media companies are no longer run by the media people. In essence, he equated these entities to “tech companies in which the math is kind of obvious,” but he emphasized how the audience responds in different ways to tested, formulaic paradigms. While he is not looking to fight the ostensible current, nor did he want to bore everyone with a proverbial dissertation on the industry, he outlined how algorithms have advanced and adapted amid the ecosystem.

“When I say tech, I really mean platforms like YouTube where data and their algorithm is really good,” Torre explained. “What does that mean? It means that it’s really good at sorting stuff, it’s really good at surfacing stuff. It’s not perfect, but it’s a very efficient sorting mechanism that is distributing audience in such a way, and I don’t fight that. Authenticity though seems to be something that somehow amid all of this multivariate, algorithmic stuff is surfacing as something that people still respond to.”

Torre drew a comparison between authenticity and honesty and explained that those on live television are becoming more incentivized to convey the former more regularly. Ravi Gupta, the founder and chief executive officer of The Branch, agreed with Torre’s point that everything is technology and also conveyed how niches are bigger than people think. Working in an incentive structure, as Torre described, he mentioned how the idea of people not knowing what they want is sometimes lost since algorithms are trying to reverse engineer the process to discover the core of such feelings.

“The question of ‘surprise,’ ‘surprise’ as a concept, there is something ineffably human about, ‘I think this other person would enjoy this even if they have given no data-driven indicator that they would,’” Torre said. “That, to me, is part of the secret sauce of human curation, which isn’t the same as, ‘I’m putting all my chips exactly where the computer says I should.’”

As the host of Pablo Torre Finds Out, Torre and his colleagues explore a consortium of topics and produce episodes with varying iterations. For example, some of his recent shows have focused on reporting surrounding the situation between University of North Carolina head football coach Bill Belichick and his relationship with Jordon Hudson. Yet there was also an analysis surrounding cameos on Atlanta and an interview with Tony Reali about the ending of Around the Horn.

Gupta finds it important that Torre is prolific and underscored how successful founders are misinterpreted as being perfectly curated when, in reality, he feels they do a lot, receive feedback and make the necessary adjustments. Torre echoed the sentiment as applicable in content and referred to sports as, perhaps, “the lone monoculture we may have left” with fragmentation abound. Because of this, he views some emerging niches as being wholly self-sustaining and pondered over potentially aspiring to have a bespoke brand fueled by passion supported by an audience.

“My real media hot take is we’re all OnlyFans,” Torre said. “Can we all be supported by an audience that wants to give us money because we show a little bit of our ankle? ‘You guys like this? Would you pay for that?’ In the apocalypse, we’re all OnlyFans. We’re not there yet, but I think about that part because it’s not a matter of, ‘I’m an A-list Hollywood star.’ It’s, ‘I’m a person who gets to do what I love because enough people love what I love,’ and that’s exciting in a weird way.”

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Anthropic wins ruling on AI training in copyright lawsuit but must face trial on pirated books

By MATT O’BRIEN In a test case for the artificial intelligence industry, a federal judge has ruled that AI company Anthropic didn’t break the law by training its chatbot Claude on millions of copyrighted books. But the company is still on the hook and must now go to trial over how it acquired those books […]

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In a test case for the artificial intelligence industry, a federal judge has ruled that AI company Anthropic didn’t break the law by training its chatbot Claude on millions of copyrighted books.



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Kroger plans to close 60 US stores in 18 months to improve profits – East Bay Times

By DEE-ANN DURBIN, Associated Press Kroger plans to close around 60 U.S. grocery stores over the next 18 months to improve efficiency. The Cincinnati, Ohio-based company announced the plan during a corporate earnings call last Friday. The company hasn’t said which stores it plans to shutter, but said the closures will happen around the country. […]

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Kroger plans to close around 60 U.S. grocery stores over the next 18 months to improve efficiency.

The Cincinnati, Ohio-based company announced the plan during a corporate earnings call last Friday. The company hasn’t said which stores it plans to shutter, but said the closures will happen around the country. It also said employees at impacted stores will be offered jobs at other locations.



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Lehigh Valley tech company Shift4 makes deal for Smartpay

Shift4 announced Sunday that it is acquiring a New Zealand credit card processing company. It is the Upper Saucon Township payments and commerce technology company’s first major transaction since Taylor Lauber became CEO this month. The deal, which was conducted in New Zealand dollars, is worth about $180 million. Smartpay sells tailored payment solutions in […]

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Shift4 announced Sunday that it is acquiring a New Zealand credit card processing company. It is the Upper Saucon Township payments and commerce technology company’s first major transaction since Taylor Lauber became CEO this month.

The deal, which was conducted in New Zealand dollars, is worth about $180 million. Smartpay sells tailored payment solutions in Australia and New Zealand with more than 40,000 merchants in the region. The acquisition is expected to close in the fourth quarter of 2025, subject to regulatory approvals.

“This acquisition follows the Shift4 playbook to a tee,” Lauber said. “It deepens our strategic presence in Australia and New Zealand, providing a significant opportunity to offer our full suite of software and payments solutions in the region.”

Lauber was named the next CEO after company founder Jared Isaacman was nominated to lead NASA. After the nomination was withdrawn, Isaacman became executive chair.

In trading Tuesday, Shift4 shares were up 4.6% to $97.89.

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Federal Judge In SF Rules That AI Company Anthropic Did Not Violate Copyright Law In Training Its Chatbot

In what is being seen as an important early judicial ruling for the AI industry, a federal judge in San Francisco has ruled that Anthropic did not break the law when it used copyrighted material to train its AI chatbot Claude. The company will have to go to trial, however, over its use of pirated […]

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In what is being seen as an important early judicial ruling for the AI industry, a federal judge in San Francisco has ruled that Anthropic did not break the law when it used copyrighted material to train its AI chatbot Claude. The company will have to go to trial, however, over its use of pirated copies of books.

US District Judge William Alsup issued a pretrial ruling late Monday that absolves San Francisco-based Anthropic, for now, over the issue of the use of books and copyrighted material to train its AI model. As the Associated Press reports, Alsup was convinced by Anthropic’s attorneys that reading the material into their large language models qualifies as “fair use” under copyright law, because the product produced, the chatbot, was “quintessentially transformative.”

“Like any reader aspiring to be a writer, Anthropic’s [AI large language models] trained upon works not to race ahead and replicate or supplant them — but to turn a hard corner and create something different,” Alsup wrote in his ruling.

But, Alsup said that a trial could proceed on the question of how Anthropic collected the books it first fed into Claude, namely from pirated copies found on the internet. Internal communications at the company allegedly reveal that employees knew this could spell trouble, and only later did they pay for digital copies of the books.

Alsup wrote that “Anthropic had no entitlement to use pirated copies for its central library.” And, the fact “That Anthropic later bought a copy of a book it earlier stole off the internet will not absolve it of liability for the theft but it may affect the extent of statutory damages.”

This decision may set some precedent in the ongoing battles over chatbots and the fast-and-loose way in which companies including Anthropic and OpenAI have scraped the internet, copyrights be damned, to train the robots how to write and respond to human prompts.

A case with a somewhat different angle is headed to trial in New York, in which the New York Times and other publishers are suing OpenAI for the way in which it fed mass amounts of articles into its ChatGPT and other models. In that case, which a judge in March ruled could head to trial, attorneys for the Times argue both that OpenAI scoured its archive without payment, and that its model reproduces Times reporting in ways that are not “transformative,” as the “fair use” doctrine requires.

The Harvard Law Review noted in April that the Times is arguing the exact opposite case than it did 24 ago in a case involving freelance writers, New York Times Co. v. Tasini. The Times is now arguing for the “creative, deeply human work of journalists,” when in the earlier case, it fought to protect its own financial interests against the copyright interests of freelancers. The Supreme Court, in an opinion written by Ruth Bader Ginsberg, ruled in favor of the freelancers, who said their copyrights had been violated when the Times and other publications fed their work into databases devoid of the context in which it was originally written, and without compensation.

Previously: Meta’s AI Efforts Include Huge Privacy Flub; Sam Altman Says Meta’s Been Trying to Poach OpenAI Staff

Top image: In this photo illustration, a person holds a smartphone displaying the logo of “Claude,” an AI language model by Anthropic, with the company’s logo visible in the background, illustrating the rapid development and adoption of generative AI technologies, on December 29, 2024 in Chongqing, China. Artificial Intelligence (AI) has become a cornerstone of China’s strategic ambitions, with the government aiming to establish the country as a global leader in AI by 2030. (Photo illustration by Cheng Xin/Getty Images)



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Hologenix CEO Seth Casden Interview

Infrared tech is moving beyond saunas and into daily life. Athletech News spoke with Hologenix CEO and co-founder Seth Casden about the rise of passive wellness and how body heat–powered infrared is reshaping recovery, sleep and everyday health Forget spa facemasks and infrared saunas. Infrared technology is moving beyond the spa and into the fabric […]

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Infrared tech is moving beyond saunas and into daily life. Athletech News spoke with Hologenix CEO and co-founder Seth Casden about the rise of passive wellness and how body heat–powered infrared is reshaping recovery, sleep and everyday health

Forget spa facemasks and infrared saunas. Infrared technology is moving beyond the spa and into the fabric of daily life—literally—into activewear, pajamas, sheets and even ski boots. It may not be a household concept yet, but one company is aiming to change that: Hologenix, a California-based materials science company behind Celliant, a proprietary blend of minerals that converts body heat into infrared energy.

To put it simply, that energy is reflected into the skin and muscles, where it helps increase local circulation and oxygenation at the cellular level, supporting performance, recovery and improved sleep. The technology is powered by a blend of natural bioceramic minerals, which can be embedded into fibers and fabric or applied as a topical coating, making it easy to integrate into everyday products, such as bedding, apparel and more.

And as consumer expectations around wellness continue to shift, infrared is stepping into a larger role, supporting a more passive and “always-on” approach to health. Seth Casden, co-founder and CEO of Hologenix, is positioning his company to lead that charge.

“In today’s world, we consumers don’t just want a brand name,” he says. “We are looking for accessible products that look good, feel good and have tangible benefits. That’s where infrared comes in. It’s the perfect balance—a technology that has been around long enough that it is science-backed and people are familiar with the recovery benefits from seeing it in saunas, but in a completely new format that makes it exciting.”

Seth Casden, co-founder and CEO of Hologenix | credit: Hologenix

Infrared Goes Mainstream

Casden believes the timing is right for the wider adoption of infrared. The technology has credibility, thanks to its long-standing use in therapeutic settings, but now it’s showing up in performance wear, recovery gear and even home textiles.

“It is essentially up-leveling everyday products,” Casden says. “Most people already understand that infrared can help with faster recovery, and now are discovering it can also improve athletic performance and support more restful sleep.”

This versatility is fueling a new frontier in reimagining health, described by Casden as “passive wellness.”

The Rise of Passive Wellness

“Passive wellness is the idea that you can incorporate things into your daily life that don’t require active effort, but still support your overall health and well-being,” he explains. “I think we can all agree that an intense 60-minute long workout or going to a weekly spa appointment are great ways to live a healthy lifestyle, but those require quite a lot of commitment—time, energy and money.”

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For consumers short on time, Casden says integrating infrared products like bedding, pajamas, kinesiology tape or socks containing an ingredient like Celliant can be a simple way to embrace passive wellness.

“It’s often things people are already doing or buying, but with a little bit more intention and a lot more payoff thanks to infrared,” he says.

Science vs. Skepticism

If passive wellness is the concept, peer-reviewed science helps ground it. Celliant has ten peer-reviewed, published clinical trials, something Casden says separates legitimate wellness tech from gimmicks.

“Consumers are smart,” he says. “They’ve become extremely well-versed in finding quality solutions and sussing out bogus claims. Science is the key to success when it comes to validating wellness claims.”

Scientific validation has become increasingly important in a wellness market crowded with self-proclaimed biohacks. Still, even with studies to support it, infrared faces a visibility problem—literally.

“The idea that you have to ‘see it to believe it’ is one of our biggest hurdles as a company,” Casden points out. “The hardest step is convincing people to give the product a shot, but once they do, the results are nearly immediate and they have incredibly positive feedback.”

To address skepticism, Hologenix has leaned on real-world demonstrations, like a grip strength test to give consumers a tangible sense of a technology that’s largely invisible.

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“We’ll have people try out their grip using a hand-held dynamometer, squeezing as hard as possible to set their benchmark, and then retest after wearing a Celliant wristband just a few minutes later,” Casden says. “In most cases, their measured grip strength improves just by wearing the wristband.”

A Consumer Shift, A Brand Evolves

With growing interest in recovery, performance and sleep, Hologenix is expanding quickly and is launching its own direct-to-consumer offerings, beginning with the Infrared Dream Pillow Powered by Celliant, designed to enhance sleep through improved thermoregulation, circulation and cellular oxygenation. 

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The brand also appeals to eco-conscious consumers, as Celliant is known for its durability.

“Because the infrared-emitting minerals are embedded directly into the core of the fibers, they don’t wash out or fade throughout the useful life of the product,” Casden says. “The technology repurposes body heat, so the benefits don’t deteriorate over time—creating an exceptionally long lifespan.”

Next Stop: Healthcare

While Celliant is already used in some medical textiles and equipment, including bandages and wraps, Casden sees broader potential in clinical settings. He says the company continually evaluates new applications and is especially interested in expanding further into the healthcare sector.

“For example, people with diabetes are a population that might benefit from increased circulation,” he says. “There is definitely more work to be done around medical applications.”

A Vision for the Future

Ultimately, Casden sees infrared not as a performance enhancer, but as a foundational wellness tool.

“The dream is for every home to have infrared-enhanced products,” he says. “But if we can help improve the health of even one person I would consider it a success. I really believe that infrared can change lives and create a happier, healthier world. In 5 years, I hope that infrared technology has become more mainstream and there is a high level of consumer trust—and collectively, we are all getting more restful sleep, live at peak performance and recover well.”





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